Une deuxième descente chez Gibson: le bois...

Une affaire de plus en plus sérieuse!

De plus en plus d'espèces font partie de la liste protégée CITES, et passer les frontières sera de plus en plus difficile...

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110825/NEWS01/308250049/Gibson-raided-lips-zipped?odyssey=tab

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html

Inquiétant pour un musicien de tournée...

hahah, ca va bien!

Et la réaction du président de l'entreprise (voir le lien en mi-page...)

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/

dur pour eux!
mais quand on voit les massacres dans les forets d'Afrique et d'Amérique du sud

Mouain ... C'est triste d'en être rendu là quand même ... C,est certain qu'on aime tous la beauté et la sonorité d'une belle touche en bois exotique (Ébene ou Palissandre). Mais on en arrive au point que les pays ou on récolte ce bois là, sont prêts à couper le dernier arbre et l'expédier de n'importe quelle manière tant qu'il y aura du fric à faire avec.

Quand le dernier arbre aura été coupé, y'aura moyen d'en faire pousser d'autre ? non ... On sera alors obligé de trouver d'autres alternatives.
Ceci étant clair, j'vois pas pourquoi on en est pas déja rendu aux matériaux composites. Y'aurait plusieurs avantage dont l'uniformité du ''tone'' qui est pas négligeable ....

Ici on parle plus de moralité que de légalité mais bon ..

CFMartin a écrit:

Et la réaction du président de l'entreprise (voir le lien en mi-page...)

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/

Selon le CEO c'est pas une question de bois illégal mais de droit de ''l'endroit ou le bois serait transformé''... Donc une question légal entre pays!!!!

Rockin Frog a écrit:

Ceci étant clair, j'vois pas pourquoi on en est pas déja rendu aux matériaux composites. Y'aurait plusieurs avantage dont l'uniformité du ''tone'' qui est pas négligeable ....

Il me semble que Parker a des guitares comme ca.
D'autres compagnies ont des guitares avec juste une touche composite, par ex Hagstrom.

Zimage.biz

Si ça vous dit :les bois de lutherie

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D77H1EAN

C'est vrai Doc mais on peut vraiment pas dire que c'est une tendance.

Parker des fois me pogne un trip d'en essayer une .. mais j'en ai jamais vu dans les magasins incluant Steve's. Peut-être que Ital en tient en stock jamais allé les voir encore ...

Hagstrom j'en ai essayé une il y a quelques années.. j'avais pas été impressionné mais c'était un modèle à 600$ pas plus et la ''grosseur'' générale de la guit m'allait pas pantoute, c'était tout petit l'impression d'un jouet. Question confort/tone du fretboard j'avais pas eu le temps de m'arrêter a ça ... elle était retourné a sa place assez vite :p

Je reste quand même curieux d'essayer une Ibanez ou autre marque je j'aime déjà avec un fretboard en composite ..

ce qu'il faut récupéré en bois c'est dans les vieux meubles,tables plateaux tout ce qu'ils prenaient fin 19em début 20em années 30/40 en bois précieux (acajou)

il est sec et ne bouge plus.

et la faire un corps ou un manche c'est top

le composite moi ça me dit pas ,j'ai écouté le son des guitares vigier ou a la place du truss road c'est du carbone ou mélange de carbone et bois en manche

j'ai trouvé le son trop sec ,pas d'âme ,ça vibre pas ya pas les vibrations d'une gibson ou vielle fender ou autre guitare de qualité

Selon ce texte , la majorité des compagnies américaines utiliserais des bois semblable a ceux qui ont été confiqués chez gibson . Si j'ai bien compris , aucune loi n'interdit d'importer ces bois de l'Inde mais bien d'utiliser la main d'oeuvre américaine pour travailler les bois en question ...Voici le texte de l'opinion d' Harmony Central a ce sujet :

If you’re not aware of the early facts that were known about this situation, please see "Dear Musician" in Harmony Central Confidential newsletter #132; for more about the 2008 amendments to the Lacey Act that are at the root of this issue, please see the "Dear Musician" in newsletter issue #118. There are also tons of threads in our forums about the raid.


We have been researching this situation and obtained additional information. The reason we must speak out is that regardless of how anyone feels about Gibson, its guitars, its pricing, etc., this issue goes well beyond a single company to something that can potentially affect virtually all retailers, suppliers, sellers, and buyers (yes, even you) in the music industry. This industry is so small and geographically dispersed that no one in Washington seems very interested, so the only avenue for relief is in the court of public opinion—and an informed public that makes its views known to their representatives. We’ll have more on that aspect later.


Regardless of the heavy-handed nature of the raid on Gibson, if the company knowingly imported endangered wood, they should be prosecuted under environmental laws. However, it seems no such laws were violated. Brian Majeski is the editor of Music Trades magazine, which has “no dog in the fight” when it comes to manufacturing, but instead reports on industry trends, sales, and retailing. As a result, he has the interests of the industry at heart, not that of any one manufacturer. He is also someone who does his research, and some excepts from his recent editorial in Music Trades state the situation very succinctly (emphasis ours).


“There are no laws on the books in the U.S. prohibiting the use of Indian or Madagascar rosewood and ebony. That didn't stop the industrious John M. Rayfield, a special agent at the Fish and Wildlife service, from concluding that Gibson's use of these woods violated Indian law. The law he cites in his affidavit, 'W.E.F. 23.08.2010 Government of India, Ministry of Commerce and Industry,' has nothing to do with overharvesting, illegal logging, or anything else related to the environment. Rather, it specifies labor content levels for wood thicker than 6 millimeters that is exported from India. In other words, Gibson stands accused of using U.S. instead of Indian labor to produce its guitars. Had the company imported a finished guitar from India, using the same rosewood and ebony, it would have been in compliance with Lacey. Importing semi-finished component parts caused the violation. In practice, the Indian authorities have a different interpretation of their law: For decades they have allowed the export of millions of fingerboard blanks without challenge.




"There isn't a guitar manufacturer of any scale in the U.S. that doesn't use some Indian rosewood or ebony for fingerboards, and all of them, to the best of our knowledge, import the same kind of semi-finished blanks that were seized from the Gibson plant. Thus, by the logic of Rayfield's affidavit, they are all potentially in violation of Lacey. Lacey applies to sellers, buyers, intermediaries, and anyone else who comes into contact with 'illegal' wood, so retailers and consumers could be on the hook as well. If that isn't sufficiently unsettling, remember that Lacey is 'a fact-based, rather than a document-based statute.' Translation: having the right paperwork won't save you from fines, confiscation of product, or even imprisonment, and the world of music is populated with unsuspecting felons."


In the hours after the raid, our best guess was that there was probably some kind of technicality that was violated, but that the response to it was over-the-top and an abuse of power. It seemed like the likely conclusion would be Gibson saying “Oops, sorry, we did fail to dot the i,” pay a hefty fine, and go about its business.


However, while it’s not up to us to judge Gibson’s innocence or guilt—that’s the function of the judicial process—we have yet to see any evidence related to the recent raid that Gibson violated the letter or the spirit of environmental regulations intended to protect endangered species.


Looking past Gibson’s immediate issues, we can only assume that Guitar Center, Musician’s Friend, Sweetwater, etc. must now be concerned that they could come to work one day and find armed Federal agents pulling guitars off walls at gunpoint, or see employees hauled off to jail for having shipped them across state lines. Respected vintage guitar dealer George Gruhn is sufficiently intimidated by the Lacey Act that he has reportedly simply given up on the 40% of his business that deals with overseas sales and purchases. Also reportedly, Willie Nelson will no longer tour with his favorite guitar due to concerns of confiscation.


Do your own research and come to your own conclusions, then make your opinions known to your representative in Congress. None of us want to see environmental regulations flaunted, but we also don’t want to see American music industry companies raided without clear and obvious justification, or guitars confiscated without due process—a central tenet of our judicial system. If you don’t know how to contact your representative, sign up at www.congress.org, which makes it very easy to let them know what you think.


But do let them know. We have. [Edit: And now so has NAMM, which is attempting to open a dialog with Washington to clarify the Lacey Act with regards to musical instruments.]


The Editors of Harmony Central:


Craig Anderton

Jon Chappell

Phil O’Keefe

Dendy Jarrett

Chris Loeffler

ça dit quoi en Français ,je suis nul en Anglais